A Conversation with Maryland’s Millennial Gubernatorial Candidate & Former Obama Administration Official Ashwani Jain

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A Conversation with Maryland's Millennial Gubernatorial Candidate & Former Obama Administration Official Ashwani Jain
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Soniya Gokhale (00:05):
Welcome back to another episode of A Desi Woman Podcast. I am your host, Soniya Gokhale. And the voices I am seeking may have never been heard before, but their stories deserve to be told. What is A Desi Woman? She is a dynamic, fearless, and strong woman. She is your mother, your grandmother, your daughter, your sister. She is every one of us who is on an endless pursuit of self-empowerment and fulfillment. I am Soniya Gokhale and I am A Desi Woman.

Soniya Gokhale (00:40):
Hello, and welcome to another edition of A Desi Woman Podcast. I am your host, Soniya Gokhale. And today, we are delighted to be joined once again by Ashwani Jain. Ashwani Jain is seeking the Democratic nomination for governor of Maryland. And he’s a first-generation American who was born to parents who immigrated to the U.S. from India, and went on to become successful small business owners in the State of Maryland. A product of the Maryland Public Schools and graduate of the University of Maryland. Ashwani is the youngest candidate running for governor. And if elected, he would be the state first millennial governor, and first governor of color.

Soniya Gokhale (01:27):
Ashwani began volunteering for Barack Obama’s presidential campaign as a high school senior. And after Obama took office, he transitioned from a campaign staffer to an administration official, helping the presidential personnel diversify applications for political appointees to the federal government and acting as the director of outreach for then Vice President Joe Biden’s Cancer Moonshot initiative. Ashwani, welcome to the show.

Ashwani Jain (02:00):
Hello, hello. It’s great to be back.

Soniya Gokhale (02:02):
Well, we are so excited to welcome you back again. And I just have to offer that our previous conversation was truly one of our most popular episodes ever with thousands of downloads, and so I think that speaks to the excitement and interest around you and your campaign. And it most certainly is indicative, I think of your charisma and knowledge of issue as a candidate. And before we dive into our conversation, I did want to share the recently released news about your running mate, and that would be a long time Maryland resident LaTrece Hawkins Lytes. And I have to say LaTrece, and this is all on your website, which I will have a link to in the podcast notes, LaTrece is a wife, mother of four juvenile diabetes type one, juvenile diabetes survivor, transplant recipient, and a community activist.

Soniya Gokhale (03:00):
And a quarter directly, she says, quote, “My family and I are really just your average typical Maryland family.” We work hard and try to make ends meet while taking care of each other. And she went on to add, we don’t have fancy titles or big political connections, but we do best by our God, our family and our community.” End quote. So that all sounds so compelling, and I might really enjoy hearing more about this big announcement and how you knew that LaTrece was the right running mate for you?

Ashwani Jain (03:32):
Well, like I said, first of all, thank you so much for the opportunity and the platform that you provide for people like myself, I really do appreciate it. But we’ve been doing really exciting things on the campaign trail. I was super honored that LaTrece decided to join our team. When I was looking for a running mate, I told my team that I wanted to find someone who has the lived experiences of many Marylanders, regardless of where they live or what they’ve gone through, and who also understand how to organize communities at a grassroots level.

Ashwani Jain (04:02):
And so I happened to meet her attending a Sunday service at a local Black church in Prince George’s County, which is where she’s from and the church that she attends. And we happen to connect afterwards, she shared her story, which is really powerful. We got along really well. I saw her family and I saw how much work she does in the community, again, just helping other people achieve physical, mental, and social stability. And I said, “Hey, there’s a lot of synergy between the work you’re doing and the work that I’m trying to do around the state, so would you consider being my running mate?” And we had a lot of conversations. She met with the team. Everybody really connected with her and it’s been one of the best decisions I’ve made so far.

Soniya Gokhale (04:44):
That is so amazing. Well, I have some other questions around that, and as we dive into questions, there’s some unbelievable synergy between the two of you given your health issues as a pediatric cancer survivor and the backdrop I just offered about her. So I mean that in itself, I think demonstrates the tenacity and a resiliency, and sadly is really needed in today’s political landscape. But also just that interesting lack of connections and just a keen and fervent desire to give back. Now, I always like to start interviews with my guest many of whom are immigrants who are descendants of recent immigrants to this country because I think it sets a foundation for a conversation about how your background with immigrant roots informs you and your work and truly as a human being.

Soniya Gokhale (05:37):
And I know you grew up in Maryland with parents who immigrated to this country from India and we’re small business owners, and I think that narrative in and of itself is inspiring. But I think the narrative is not necessarily shared as widely as it could be in mainstream media. And this pertains to the fact that our communities have contributed so much to the American economy, society and culture to name a few. And as you pointed out in our last conversation, you did not come from a political or well-connected family. Your grandfather came to United States and found work at the high school maintenance worker. And then your mother went on to community college [inaudible 00:06:15] and worked at a nursing home where she made the minimum wage.

Soniya Gokhale (06:18):
Now your father, in spite of being highly-educated in India, struggled to find work here because of the language barrier. Again, I think that is a narrative we don’t often hear. But after your parents made to Maryland, they become entrepreneurs and store owners. And you grew up in that store, but you always saw your parents working. You saw how hard they work just to keep the lights on in your family’s two bedroom apartment. And part of the reason for offering these anecdotal stories and background about you for listeners who may not be familiar with you or your historic campaign, is that I think as we dive into issues and topics, it really serves to explain why you’re so impassioned about ensuring that as governor you’d advocate for equal access to opportunity for families like yours and other spacing similar struggles. So I’ve offered a lot right there, but would love your input and comments and all of that.

Ashwani Jain (07:17):
And I appreciate you sharing that story. I mean, it really is, my story, my family story is not unique, right? We’ve been very fortunate to have a lot of great opportunities, but there’s so many stories around Maryland and around their country to be honest of people who move to this country to find a better life, to provide for their family and really achieve this notion of American dream. Right now, obviously the American dream means so many different things, to so many different people, but at the end of the day, it is how do you provide more opportunities to yourself, to your family and at the end of the day, your community.

Ashwani Jain (07:51):
And as immigrants, as children of immigrants, there’s this idea that we have been awarded and fortunate with so many opportunities that this country, this society has provided us. And because of that, it is kind of our obligation to give back. And give back again, means so many different kinds of things to so many different kinds of people. But for me in my family, we were always taught the importance of community service, of public service. We never thought about politics per se, but once I started getting involved in politics, we found that that was a great opportunity to work on policies for all of my community members and folks who are outside of my community as well to really make sure that we’re leaving nobody behind. And just because we were able to walk through that door of opportunity for us, we have to keep it open for those behind us because that’s the only way we move forward.

Soniya Gokhale (08:42):
Well, that’s so very inspiring. And for listeners who may not be aware and are becoming familiar with you for the first time, in eighth grade, you were diagnosed with Non-Hodgkins lymphoma. During your treatment, you witnessed firsthand, other children who were suffering from debilitating illnesses. And to add to this trauma, you saw that parents and families were often left unable to cover the exorbitantly high medical costs that were incurred, a narrative we still see today, unfortunately. It was during this treatment as an eighth grader, you understood that profound disconnect between legislation and those who are affected by it.

Soniya Gokhale (09:20):
Now you had never aspired to become involved in politics before, but in a moment when you didn’t know whether you would survive your illness or not, your perspective shifted and to quote you directly, “I thought to myself, okay, if I’m given a second at life, I’m going to make it count. The idea of public service and politics became my therapy.” Amazing words. And so if you could elaborate a little bit on this and explain how this has informed your journey and to where you are now?

Ashwani Jain (09:52):
I think for so many of us, whenever you go through anything traumatic, right? Whether it’s cancer like I had, or honestly, so many of us have gone through COVID, right? Either because we’ve faced COVID, our family members have faced COVID or we’ve lost loved ones, so many of us understand that when something traumatic happens, you really are given a second shot. And when you are given a second shot, you got to make it count. And whenever you go through something traumatic like that, you also are in this position where a lot of times you can feel depressed, you can feel suicidal, I know I did, and you don’t understand why things are happening to you. And because of this loss of understanding and this idea that maybe I’m the only one going through this, nobody else understands my pain you can get into a worse situation.

Ashwani Jain (10:40):
And for me throughout my life, anytime those situations have occurred, I have always found it to be therapeutic to devote myself to something bigger than me. And through community service, through public service, through politics, I was able to find meaning in my life, that okay, maybe all these things happen to me for a reason, and I’m not alone. There are so many other people who go through either similar situations or have it much worse than I do. And by volunteering for different nonprofits, by getting involved in politics, I actually can make sense of my struggles, I can connect with others who have similar struggles and elevate those issues so we can actually make tangible progress on either legislation or just make people’s lives a little bit easier. And so that’s where I talk about politics became my therapy, because it really did put things in perspective, it allowed me to show myself that I’m not alone, and it allowed also to do something about my situation and figure out, okay, here are some tangible ways to get out of this and help other people get out of it as well.

Soniya Gokhale (11:46):
But if we consider your candidacy for governor of Maryland, I think it’s very important to designate as being a landmark moment as you would be the nation’s first millennial governor and Maryland’s first governor of color. And I think what’s really exciting about you is you really give young people a seat at the table. And you’re not just doing so in the course of your campaign, what’s really striking is you are implementing this in the fact that half of your senior advisors. And for our listeners that may not be aware, these are campaign advisors who usually have an abundance of experience in running campaigns, these are students.

Soniya Gokhale (12:25):
And so this is so notable because you’re giving a voice to volunteer high schoolers and even middle schoolers by asking for their input on policy and outreach strategies. And I have to give a shout out to Senator Manka Dhingra who is doing the same thing in Seattle and in Washington State, and has even passed legislation. But the reason I think it’s noteworthy is again, we do not hear this from candidates enough and it’s extremely empowering and a great way to bring the next generation of thought leaders and really future voters into the democratic process. So I would love to hear why you chose this approach and why you think it’s such a great model for campaign management?

Ashwani Jain (13:07):
I mean, I think for so many people, whether you are young or you are old, whether you live in a rural community or other communities of color or if you’re from the disability community or LGBTQ community, so many groups that are marginalized or spoken down to can find politics to be intimidating. It is often an insider’s game where you only be successful because you know the right person or you have the most money. And so I think that is not only a good way to campaign, but it makes for inefficient and inequitable policies once the campaigns are over. Because how can you expect elected officials to make policies that are going to go positively impact their constituents unless those constituents actually have a seat at the table?

Ashwani Jain (13:52):
And so seeing this for the last, almost two decades of me being involved in politics, I was constantly frustrated. I was also constantly frustrated by the lack of respect that younger people are given, for example, right? In election years, I often hear candidates and elected officials say, oh, you young people are the future, we need you to March and to protest and to rally around Black Lives Matter, around climate change or to get us elected. But then when any one of us decide to take leadership on those very issues that we are going to be held accountable for, those same elected officials or party leaders or politicians then go to us and say, nope, you don’t have the right experience, you’re too young, wait your turn in line.

Ashwani Jain (14:35):
And so I said, okay, how do I tangibly change our process, make it less intimidating, more accessible, more inclusive, give more people an opportunity to learn about campaigns, get involved in the process and in doing so also allow for better policy creation?And in that context, that’s why I’m proud to say that our campaign is the very first 100% volunteer-run crowdsourced statewide campaign in the United States where you do not need to have a time commitment or a financial commitment to be a senior advisor to help make policy or strategy decisions and have one-on-ones with me as a candidate for governor directly.

Ashwani Jain (15:16):
So we’re changing the way campaigns are run and we’re proving that whether you are older, young, or whether you live in an urban or rural community, your voice does matter. And I’m using our platform to show others, hey, you can run a successful statewide campaign without charging money, without hosting fundraisers, without closing up the process. And it’s been really inspiring to see and really humbling to see the support that we’ve also received so far.

Soniya Gokhale (15:46):
I mean, it’s really groundbreaking and just so beautiful and encouraging. And again, these are not adjectives that we hear in the same conversation with politics as usual. So I celebrate everything that you’re doing, and I know that education features very prominently, an issue that you would like to tackle. And you are a product of public schools and you witnessed firsthand how you lived in the wealthiest county and the state and yet there was still mold on the ceilings and the school was crowded with students. But there were great teachers and educators who didn’t have the support that they needed.

Soniya Gokhale (16:25):
And so I’d really like to hear more about how you and your running mate would prioritize public school funding? Advocate for public school apprenticeship? Something I don’t think we hear enough about. And if you could especially speak to the teacher shortage currently being faced across Maryland? I know you’re proposing some educational requirements that perhaps aren’t as stringent as they are now to address that shortage.

Ashwani Jain (16:52):
I think it’s important to have perspective, right? And so for both myself and my running mate, we are products of the Maryland Public School Systems. So we understand what students go through, what parents go through, what educators go through. You mentioned, I live in one of the wealthiest counties in not only Maryland, but in the nation and yet I attended a Title I elementary school. The fact that we even have Title I schools that have old infrastructure, mold on the ceilings, overcrowded with students, great educators who just don’t have the proper resources that they deserve, it’s sickening and it’s saddening. And it also, there’s an economic argument to it, there’s a racial component to, it touches so many aspects of our lives.

Ashwani Jain (17:36):
And so that’s where when you look at my education policy memo, right? I talk about things like easing student debt for educators, making sure that we are allowing those with associate degrees in the art of teaching from two-year institutions, not just bachelor degrees, from four-year institutions to take the certification exams to become an educator. I talk about prioritizing funding for low-income neighborhoods to have school construction. I talk about affordable housing because that issue is also related to the idea of making sure our educators can afford to send their own kids to where they teach.

Ashwani Jain (18:09):
I talk about making community colleges more accessible, collective bargaining rights for faculty at these universities and community colleges to make sure we retain them, making sure we have moving away from standardized testing to more performance-based testing. All of these issues are interconnected, but it starts with having the perspective of people who have been in those positions and actually has gone through our education system and looking at issues in a very comprehensive and sincere way so we could actually bring sustainable change, not just in the short term, but in the long term as well.

Soniya Gokhale (18:43):
Well, there’s no question that the state would benefit so immensely from all of us and ultimate the next generation, as we’ve alluded to earlier in this conversation. And I do want to ask you about crime, and we are hearing so much about crime. Homicides in Maryland and its suburbs have soared in 2021 to levels that haven’t been seen in more than a decade and largely driven by shootings and reflecting a troubling rise in violent crimes, really that we’re seeing across the United States. More people were slang, for example, in Prince George’s County than in any year since 2007. Montgomery county had recorded 32 homicides as of recently, matching numbers again not seen since 2002.

Soniya Gokhale (19:31):
And authorities say violence has climbed amid a proliferation of guns used to settle dispute such as deadly road rage and answer even a killing of French fries and a pandemic that continues to upend lives and strain a fragile social safety net, critical for people that are really surviving on the margins of society. And so, would really enjoy your comments on those dire statistics and what your thoughts are?

Ashwani Jain (20:00):
When it comes to crime safety that really needs to be addressed in a comprehensive way. I think a lot of times elected officials, candidates, we try to put bandaids on the issue of crime or safety, and the reality is you need to really reform the entire criminal justice system. And that’s kind of the approach that I take is looking at it in a really sustainable and comprehensive manner. And so when we talk about making our community safer, we have to talk about everything from ending extreme census for children, ending the money bail system, ending for-profit prison contracts, making sure we finally treat opioid and drug use as a disease and not as a crime, making sure that we are investing in more mental health professionals in our criminal justice system, in our schools, in our society so that we’re actually addressing the root causes of some of this anger and issues that people go through.

Ashwani Jain (20:51):
Making sure we’re preparing those who are in prison right now for life outside of prison. Making sure that we have students who feel safe and community members, especially those who are immigrants or people of color, making sure they have trust and feel safe to go to their law and enforcement officers to report crimes or to seek help. Making sure that we also provide everyone with more disposable income, access to good jobs, affordable housing, a decreased cost of living, which is what my Maryland now plan accomplishes, for example. Again, it’s looking at all these issues in a very comprehensive way, instead of just doing things for the two talking points or looking at it in piecemeal.

Soniya Gokhale (21:30):
Well, I think that is so sensible and in terms of taking a holistic approach to this. I recently interviewed Shekar Krishnan who made history as the first South Asian on New York City Council. And he gave an analogy, a very power powerful and get very dire metaphor about a school to prison pipeline. And I want to understand, and his point was about not punishing or policing students, but rather supporting them and perhaps offering the mental health resources as you offered. And when I interviewed Senator Manka Dhingra, she’s a former prosecutor and offered the data point that when we see students matriculate from high school, there is a substantial drop off in terms of their rate or propensity for incarceration or issues with law enforcement or the law in general. And I want to see if you concur with those thoughts?

Ashwani Jain (22:31):
I mean, at the end of the day, it’s all about how do we make students feel safe, less anxious, making sure they’re able to report whatever issues are going on in their lives and investing our resources, our budget to more social workers, psychologists, guidance counselors, because I think that is really what I’m hearing all the time from students, educators and parents that can resolve a lot of these issues and also prepare our students and our kids for life outside of school, right? And for whatever else they need to do. And so tangibly as a policy standpoint, that’s why do talk about eliminating SROs, which are student resource officers, they are law enforcement police officer in our public schools.

Ashwani Jain (23:11):
And when I speak with students, especially those of color, immigrant children’s, those with disabilities, they feel more anxious and would rather speak to a counselor than a police officer. And so by making sure that students are not policed and actually addressing the real issues and also going to the fact that SROs have not actually proven to reduce crime, I really do believe we need to take that money, and like I said, invest in more mental health professionals and more wraparound services so we can actually get to the root causes of some of these problems, make sure people are actually getting the resources they really need and looking at life outside of school as well.

Soniya Gokhale (23:53):
And that makes so much sense. And I do want to ask, I mean, what’s fascinating is that you mentioned relief recovery and reform as your agenda and you’d really seek to fund your policy proposals with short and long term solutions. And what I like is, and I’m going to have a link in the podcast notes to your campaign site, but you do address how you would fund some of these proposals while taking the money out of politics? So I want you to give us more on this concept?

Ashwani Jain (24:25):
I think one of the things that always frustrates me and I know frustrates a lot of people is you hear politicians, you hear candidates at any level in any state, they give you the shiny talking points, but when you ask any of them, okay, how you going to pay for it? They don’t really give you an answer, right? They give you, oh, in the long term, it’ll pay for itself or they’ll say, oh, once I’m elected, once we get to the budget then you’ll see how we paid for it. And you go to any of these candidates websites, and I urge everybody hold me accountable, look at my website, look at any other candidate’s websites in my race or any other race and you will see a difference in the level of detail that people have and that I have put in terms of the policies.

Ashwani Jain (25:06):
Because we not only need comprehensive policies, but we need to be fiscally responsible, and you can have both and you can advocate for a very progressive legislative agenda. But for some reason we don’t have a lot of elected officials who choose to do that. And I said, I’m going to change the game, I want to make sure that I’m being held accountable, I’m being transparent and that residents know exactly what they’re going to get from me if I am elected. And so that’s where I talk about short-term funding solutions, long-term funding solutions, how every single policy that I propose is fully paid for, making sure everyone also pays their fair share, making sure we are still reducing the cost of living at the same time. And we’re making sure we’re bringing more jobs in economic security for every resident again, regardless of where they live, which I think is a big piece of this.

Soniya Gokhale (25:55):
I think it is. And I think that I can understand why young people that are working under a campaign and those that are just huge supporters and followers of yours or those that may not be familiar with you. But as I stated, one of the most popular podcast episodes ever is because you are so knowledgeable and very transparent. You stated you’d ban corruption in state government and push the lieutenant governor and agency heads from owning stocks or serving on for-profit corporate boards while in office as well as implementing a four-year lobbying ban for the lieutenant governor and agency heads. That way they cannot just go on to become corporate lobbyists after they lead their positions.

Soniya Gokhale (26:41):
And I really want to do a show that it’s entirely focused on this because I do not think the average voter in this country would have any idea about how insidious this can be. And yet you’re shining a spotlight on it, and of course we know what insider trading is, most of us do, yet many of these public officials who may have access or information to corporations and pivotal information continue to trade stock as you stated, be involved in lobbying. So really want to hear more about this from you and why is it so important for voters to understand this connection?

Ashwani Jain (27:22):
Money many clouds so many things, and sometimes in a negative way, especially in our politics. A, from a perception standpoint, when you have residents, voters who feel like these politicians only care about the money and the power, they’re not going to get as involved in the political process, which means those elected officials are not going to consider these residents and voters when they’re making politic. So that’s A. B is we need to make sure that any elected official understands that public service is about service and not power, it is about people that you represent and not special interests or not these big businesses that just buy you off.

Ashwani Jain (28:02):
I can’t tell you how many times I’m watching the news and I’ll see a policy passed or I’ll see some debate happening in Congress, and I’m like, why are they taking so long to make the common sense decision? And I think a lot of times that is because you have these special interests, these people with a lot of money, these organizations with a lot of money who pay off these politicians to say, “Hey, nope, don’t worry about what the majority of your constituents are saying, we’re going to make sure you get reelected, because we’re going to buy a bunch of ads, just do what we want you to do, right?” So you lose the real reason why our government should be operating, which is to serve people.

Ashwani Jain (28:39):
And so with that understanding, I said, “Okay, how do we actually get money out of our politics once the election is over, which is why I said making sure you cannot own a business while you’re in office, making sure you can’t own a trade stocks, making sure we have a lobbying ban for elected officials. But even before that, not waiting until the election to get money out of politics. The fact that in my campaign we do not charge residents to have a one on with me, that usually is not done. If you want to meet anyone who’s running for governor in any state that you live in, chances are you either have to be someone quote-unquote “important” or you got to pay $2,000 or $4,000 and you only get a one-on-one for 10 minutes.

Ashwani Jain (29:21):
So again, you’re closing up the process and you’re putting so much value on dollars. And you’re losing sight of the policies and you’re losing the sight of how do you actually make politics more inclusive and easier for residents that you’re trying to serve. And that’s why we have only free events, that’s why my entire campaign is crowdsourced, that’s why I do a one-on-one with every single volunteer and every single resident who wants to have a one-on-one with me. I don’t spend hours doing call time, which is what every candidate usually says you need to do to be successful, instead, I spend that same time visiting a different county every day and personally canvasing, going door to door with my volunteers speaking with voters one on one. That does not happen in a statewide campaign. So we’re trying to change the way we operate and the fact that I’ve been doing this for a year already, we are showing that it’s possible, it is feasible and you can still be successful in this kind of campaign cycle.

Soniya Gokhale (30:20):
Yes. And for anybody listening, first of all, I cannot even imagine the impact that we’re having on the lives of young people who are working on this campaign because you’re demonstrating to them that there is accessibility, and politics need not be perhaps the perception that is shared by so many in this country of one where you do need quote-unquote “political connections.” You need to have a certain family name or ties to this entire world onto itself, and you’re putting that and just turning it upside down. But more than that, you’re also being very transparent about what currently exists versus what could be, and so just really applaud you on that.

Soniya Gokhale (30:59):
And I’m going to have a link to your site in our podcast notes because anyone that’s a thing that’s inspired and want to get involved. And that brings me to my next question, what do you say to anyone listening that would like to get involved in your campaign, maybe not in Maryland right now, not even a resident in the country, but is interested in supporting you or finding out more about you and this exciting campaign?

Ashwani Jain (31:23):
The first thing that I tell everybody is I’m going to be as transparent as accountable as I can be. So instead of forcing you to volunteer for me, to vote for me or to donate to me, I encourage everybody do your research, look at my website first. I am as transparent about my resume, my background, my experience and the policies I want to pursue. I don’t want anyone to feel like they’re forced volunteering or donating, which every other candidate is going to try to force you to do. So once people learn about me, I also tell them whether you have experience in politics or you have no experience in politics?

Ashwani Jain (31:55):
Our campaign is providing opportunities to teach you skills, to develop skills that you already have and make sure you get an opportunity to make policy recommendations or strategy decisions for a statewide campaign in a way that no other candidate will allow you to do, because we do all this with zero time commitment, zero financial commitment and zero experience required. So take a look at my website, jainforgovernor.com. And then there’s a join us tab where once you sign up, I will schedule a one-on-one call with you directly and then we personalize the experience of whatever you’re interested in. If you’re interested in graphics and videos, we’ll put you on that team. If you’re interested in policy, we’ll put you on that team. If you’re interested in outreach and communications or writing press releases, anything that a campaign needs, we will make sure that you are put in the right team and develop those skills or learn those skills to really be effective and also help the campaign in a really sincere way.

Soniya Gokhale (32:54):
That is so amazing. And again, just always, so it’s exciting to have you back here. And next time I would really welcome you and LaTrece to both join me. And I really am hoping that you will join me again, Ashwani. This is just literally such a pick me up talking to you. You have that charisma, that energy, and so it wouldn’t surprise me at all that this podcast episode, again, become downloaded by thousands of listeners. And we just cannot thank you enough for joining us today, Ashwani.

Ashwani Jain (33:27):
I would love to be welcomed back, I appreciate the opportunity. And thank you so much for the work you do and for giving us a platform like this.

Soniya Gokhale (33:35):
It is my absolute pleasure and honor. And again, www.jainforgov.com, and I will have a link to all of that in the podcast notes. Thank you so much, Ashwani.

Ashwani Jain (33:46):
Thank you.

 

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